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Monday, 30 April 2018

Balchristies... were mentioned who are they?



I recently mentioned the Balchristies in a post and wanted to start a search on the roots and attributes of them as a church/group. They seem to have a link to the Culdees an Irish group from many years ago,- long before the reformation, who have their roots in Druidism. It would seem that at some point the Catholic Church tried to influence them and make them more mainstream. Culdees had a site in, or near Colinsburgh at Newburn their Chapel is a ruin all underground or indeed flattened. The Culdees had a estate called balchristies and I am assuming that a group was formed in the area and took their name from the estate. " something like those who worship at Balchristie....which becomes Balchristies for short.


So now doing a search on my machine I discover this little bit from a document in 2006.

"

Balchristie, which is close to the eastern side of the parish, and only a mile to the south-west of Colinsburgh, cannot be called a village now. Malcolm Canmore and St Margaret gave the village of Balchristie to the Culdees of Loch-Leven eight hundred years ago. Last century the proprietor "dug up the foundation-stones of an old edifice near the western wall of his garden, and in the very place where, according to the best accounts, the church of the Culdees stood." Mr Laurie was told that "this was the first Christian church in Scotland," and he appears to have thought that the tradition was not baseless; but the more matter-of-fact people of the present day will soon set aside its claims to such antiquity. Ecclesiastical associations of a more recent date are also connected with this place. James Smith—"a well-favoured person, of good manners, unquestionable piety, and good report; of a tender holy walk, and sweet natural temper; zealous and prudent, with a good stock of learning "—having adopted Independent views of church-government, resigned his charge of the parish, after thirty-three years’ faithful service, and, with Robert Ferrier of Largo, started a meeting-house at Balchristie. In 1795, Laurie says:- "It has been often remarked, that Newburn, for many years past, has been a nursery of Seceders; and remarked with surprise, that a small arm of the sea should be the boundary between moderation and fanaticism. Cameronians, Independents, persons belonging to the Burgher Congregation, and also to what is called the Relief Congregation, are to be found here. The number of Independents is about 20. They are the only sect who have a place of meeting for public worship in the parish." In spite of their dissenting propensities the parishioners were sober, regular, industrious, and humane, and their diversity of sentiments did not prevent social intercourse nor mutual good offices. The Seceders had not increased of late, and one of the Relief elders had returned to the Established Church; and so, to Mr Laurie, "rational religion" seemed to be gaining ground, and he fondly hoped that "the small remainder of enthusiasm" would most probably die with those who cherished it. His hopes were so far realised, in 1836, that the Independent Congregation had removed their place of meeting to Earlsferry, their church at Balchristie being turned into a granary, and there were only three dissenting families in the whole parish."
So now what is the connection to Perth and a group in the town. Now it all comes back to me ....Perth Baptist Church The History the People and or  an extract from a possible new book yet to be published about the Scottish Church..


Perth Baptist Church fire, The old Opera House Tay Street.July 1984

Brian Robertson says,
"David Dale set up a Chapel of ease* which in 1769 became an independent Church with Dale as one of the elders. Both Dale and the Balchristies historically known as Old Scots Independents- small, and sharing Glasite ideas of Church life and practise....  Berean Church- John Barclay 1734 1798 John Barclay of  Muthill was from the Church of Scotland and leader of a small connection, Congregational in principle in 1772. It was not great in the national context but, it is worthy to mention that in Perth the gathering, Berean Church based on Acts 17 -  "Mortgaged their meeting place to supply the want of the poor". Churches were also present in Crieff, Glasgow, Edinburgh, Dundee, Arbroath, Montrose and Brechin."

Further research required!

*Chapels of Ease were set up and funded by the Church of Scotland and the local Christians. In 1827 there were 55 set apart ministers of Chapels of ease in the Highland Presbyteries.(36 missionaries at the same time) They were set up for the poor and needy and were used for accommodation as well as worship.

Who are the Culdees (wiki) general background

Culdees Castle , Methill Perthshire, a "Listed" castle and house for sale on Galbraiths Summer 2018.

Culdees Eco village   Group near Aberfeldy roots unknown but using the name.

Saturday, 28 April 2018

Friday, 27 April 2018

Wednesday, 25 April 2018

Missing Roadkill and Dirt Everyday

U- tubers are missing "Roadkill" and "Dirt Everyday" Motor videos from the Motor channel which has set up its own channel Motor trend. There are old u tube videos but i miss the monthly programme and what the hosts had been up to. If i want to see more i will need to subscribe to the channel.

Tuesday, 24 April 2018

Less than half go to church in 1835!


Just to let you know that we have not always been as church going as we think. Here is some details from a census in 1835. 


NON-ESTABLISHED CHURCHES "SITTING"
FOR WORSHIP -PERTH 1835

Craigend United Seccession
413
North United Secession
1479
South United Secession
932
Old Light Burghers
730
Old Light Anti Burghers
602
1 Relievers
902
2 Relievers
574
Independents
735
General Baptists
450
Baptists
300
Methodists
800
Episcopalians
301
Roman Catholics
444
Glassites
165
TOTAL
8827

In 1831 the population of Perth was marginally over 20,000



ECCLESIASTICAL STATISTICS FOR
PERTH PARLIAMENTARY BURGH


Places of Worship during 1851
5
Established Church
6
Free Church
7
United Presbyterian Church
1
Original Secession Church
3
Independents
2
Old Scot's Independents
3
Baptist Church
2
Wesleyan Methodists
1
Glassite Church
2
Episcopalian Church
2
Roman Catholic Church
1
Isolated Congregation

Monday, 23 April 2018

Harry Gow takeaway



Was in Inverness a week ago or so and found the newish Harry Gow takeaway at North Kessock on the west side going North after you have crossed the Kessock bridge.
Great site for a bakery takeaway catching workers and holiday makers alike... 

Sunday, 22 April 2018

Perth Churches then...and now Please add to list thanks

Easy to get side tracked about Buchanites! I was starting to carry out research on Perth Churches.














 



Work in progress....










Quakers In The Mid 1750's there were 2 or 3 Quakers.By 1836 there was still no meeting house.
Bareans Old wifes listened to Mrs Buchan!
Cameronians ( Sometimes known as Mountaineers) They would fence the table for communion.
Jacobites meeting in Wrights hall Doing a work on Muirton extinct since 1790's

Mission station in South St 1857
Relief Church Canal Street
Relief Church South Street
Free Church St Stephens -Gaelic  Canal street then Paradise place
TCF Paradise Place
Roman Catholic Melville Street
Evangelical Union  High Street - Now Perth Theatre
Gospel Hall South Street now on western edge
East Church
West Church
Middle Church
North Church
St Pauls
St Leonards Free Victoria Street
ST Andrews  Parish Church
St Stephens Parish
St Marks Church -Letham
St Mary Magdalene RC
St Ninians- Cathedral
UPC
New Lights (Aikman)
Old lights ( W Taylor) Small Chapel Kinoull Street
Wilsons Chuch  Associated Presbterian High Street
North Church
Glassite High Street
Congregational ( Mill Street Independent Church)
Free West Church moved to Tay Street (St Matthews)
Baptist 1 now Perth Baptist Church -Western edge
Baptist 2 West Church joined Baptist 1
Knox Free Church
Elim Penticostal Priness Street
Wesleyan
United Free Church
Free Presbyterian Church near Bus station
St Lukes - came from the original Secession
Episcapalian Church St Johns
St Johns Kirk
Society of Balchristies
Salvation Army
Perth Riverside Church
Gateway Community Church
Oasis Church- Station Hotel
Church of the Nazarene- Trinity Church
Grace Baptist Church  Glover Street
Bible Baptist Church  Kinnoull Street
Pre reformation Orders Dominican, Carmelites ( Whitefriars) Carthusian, Franciscan ( Greyfriars)

Please add the missing ones in the comments...Past or present.

If you are interested here is a past post about ...
Burgher /Antiburgher

Saturday, 21 April 2018

Build your Kingdom here Rend collection (experiment)


Hounded out of town...

Despite a little help form the local Burgh Fiscal who was an adherent Buchan found it difficult to continue her ways in the town. There were many times when violence was seen at the meetings as locals tried to capture the "witch wife." One time they drummed her out the town. It was not long until She again had to flee to Glasgow.

In 1783 Andrew Innes from Muthill met Buchan at a communion in Glasgow. Later after a meal and a walk on Glasgow Green, Innes was completely taken in by Buchan chats over scripture. Despite his family he decided to join the group in Irvine which was now about 40 in number.

Innes had persuaded the local s of Muthill that it would be worth hearing Buchan. So off the group went with Innes as body guard walking to Muthil from Irvine.  Rev Scott had taken special meeting in Muthill and denounced orthodox faith...claiming Buchan was to be the new incarnation of the Holy Ghost!

mean while the group in Irvine was growing and so was local hostility. By May 1784 the local magistrates were asked to proceed with action against the blasphemers.
The first night of the expulsion ws spent in a cart shed near Dundonald.
The group were now settling in Closeburn  south of Thornhill. General house keeping and some sort of established community was set up including care and finances.
In due time they were re housed in Buchan Ha at new Cample. The group now numbering 60.

Once again locals in December 1784 were agitated to try and deal with this un-orthodox group.


Elspeth died in 1791 of natural causes.
(My Thanks to Richard Hopkins for some of the details of the last few days.)

Buchanites

Buchanites

Friday, 20 April 2018

Rev Hugh White. Duped or follower or even like minded

Elspeth having ran away from Banff shire to Glasgow avoiding potential murder by Captain Cook husband of Buchans convert Mrs Cook made a real connection with Rev White. He had recently returned from America and had seen first hand the "Shakers". White had been flattered by Buchans letters he allowed her to speak at his congregation in Irvine. Her doctrine was extreme with white trying to tone things down. Some of the congregation began to suspect the soundness of her faith and indeed whites.

She was given three weeks to leave town!
Before leaving she had made known her views on some of her theology like she good free people from the bondage of law.  This meant she advocated no marriage and a sharing of all assets and wifes.
White and Buchan were charged with heresy , White being ejected from his church (relief church) and both White and Buchan setting up a  meeting in a house in Seagate. Their meetings became so popular that  the had to erect a tent in the garden to accommodate the group.

A Society with Buchan at the head as "Friend Mother of the Lord" was set up and local hostility was not long in coming...  

Wednesday, 18 April 2018

Hard times brings spiritual wakening...






I am continuing the discovery of Mrs Buchan

The potters business did not perform and Robert went back to Glasgow presumably to get work leaving Elspeth and children at home in Banff shire to make ends meet.
She Elspeth raised living expenses from educational work by opening a school teaching basics including the ability to read.  However she got bored with the standard Scottish theology and returned to her young years visions and revelations which stimulated her into passing on her interpretation of the Bible. She started with fairly orthodox views which then grew into more unorthodox views.

As  an eager interested follower she mixed with a local fellowship meeting and on the face of it showed great Piety and value to the group. She was able to influence many that she had almost a direct access to the truth  and that she was a prophetess. Now it would seem she had found her mission in life .

The family and school suffered as she developed her mission with opposition coming from all parts including her children.

Gone was the sewing and teaching and then the money dried up. So off to Glasgow back to the husband in 1781 where she seems to have done very little apart from spending her husbands money so she could promote her thoughts.

Letters to the Rev Hugh White a relief church minister in Irvine had resulted in meetings together and for him to come under her "spell" believing together that she was the women in Revelation 12.

   Coming next group of followers ...heresies ...Muthill ...the Buchanites.


Tuesday, 17 April 2018

Mrs Buchan not Simpson

Mrs Buchan Elspeth Simpson daughter of John and Margaret Simpson was born in Banff-shire in 1739 in the parish of Fordyce. Her mother died when she was about three years old. Elspeth was brought up in hard situations. She was a herdswomen but did not like the work. As a girl she was allowed to run wild and spoke of seeing visions. A local relative tried to take her under her wing and taught her home skills like sewing and reading. The plan was to go to America with her cent husband and Elspeth to work in the plantations of Jamaica. Having spent some time in Greenock waiting for the appropriate ship the bored girl found the new life of the docks and city interesting and fun. She found her self in Ayr and fell in love with and ”married” Robert Buchan a potter. After having several children the couple moved to Glasgow allowing Robert to work at the Delftfield potteries. Elspeth managed to gain employment with the wife of one of the business partners of the pottery. Robert was ashamed of Elspeth's loose ways and thought that moving to Elspeth roots might help them regain some stability as a couple. They moved to Banff and set up their own pottery business. …..to be continued.


 Ann Lee (1736-1784) “Shakers”

Its a Grand Tour...of Sutherland

Spotted in various places in Sutherland last week were the three from  The Grand Tour, Clarkson May and whats his name. ( Hammond.)










Monday, 16 April 2018

Churches in Perth leads to Buchan!

I was researching to see if I could list all the major churches past and present associated with Perth, Scotland. I was reading George Pennys “Traditions of Perth”, did you know you can read it on Google playbooks and save a visit to the library. So I'm reading and note that there was a group of Bareans in Perth, of which I knew about from previous research when I come across this comment about some of the group being influenced by Mrs Buchan. Then as can happen one wanders...and wonders who was she this Mrs Buchan and what was she about? My first inclination was the wife of perhaps a Dyer or fabric maker, or local farmers wife maybe even a local important person of Perth. Well with in minutes I had the answer. Come back tomorrow to find out about Mrs Buchan (... not from Perth). Bareans

Friday, 13 April 2018

Alpacas Nearer to farming them?

For some time I have thought of farming alpacas. I have read a few books I have access to a couple of pet "boys" but the opportunity to move out on my own with these animals seems a challenge. firstly there is land to have them then the shelter and both need to be near where I live. I visited an alpaca frmn a few years ago in /near Bristol. It was an interesting time. Those at Valley farm were a great help

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 I just discovered today that they are dispersing the flock.

Thursday, 12 April 2018

verification

Worship as in Music



Interestingly I am coming across a lot of people who are not in to the Contemporary worship style in Churches today. Is it the repetition the chanting less melody or is it
the "second rate" musically quality?

Weather

Weather is a topic that the British fall into. I wonder what causes this conversation. Is it because they dont want to talk about more pressing things, or items that are more important on a relational matter. Or is it just the concern of rejection if its a topic that others may have a differing opinion?