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Thursday 10 August 2006

Glas some say Glass

!"Never heard of Glas"


John Glas (1696-1773) of Auchtermuchty was a person who sought the scriptures and at the time concluded that Christ's kingdom is one that is completely spiritual, and therefore as such should be independent of both state control or support. He was a minister from the age of 24 and was the fifth son of the manse. Although he did not want to leave the Church of Scotland he took up a new cause from the parish at Tealing near Dundee and started a new church known as the Glasite Church. Churches sprung up in Dundee, Perth and with the textile industry flourishing at the time further churches were set up in Paisley and Dunkeld. They as a Church were never large in number but their influence was great both national and international by the strong promoter John Glas's son in law Robert Sandeman.
The church was known for its "foot washing" and "holy kissing" and for its love feasts or communion celebrations that resembled banquets. The local name for the church was the "Kail Kirk". This communion was only administered by elders. As a Church they preferred "unlearned preachers".
Sandemanianism
The basis of the Sandemanian Church lies with John Glas the minister of the Church of Scotland devoted to the Church but because of differing opinions at the time forced to leave and set up a church based on his new found principles.
Robert Sandeman who's family business based in Perth was bleachers of fabrics, (1718-1771) took up the leadership of the movement in the 1750s. He had business contacts in London which gave him the opportunities to write and speak in England. He married John Glas' Daughter Catherine.
The result was the son in law of Glas became the strongest and most wide spread promoter of Glas theology. The most famous Glasite from the past is Michael Faraday. The Sandemanian church through its elders demanded total obedience to their decisions from any or all of their congregation. This in the long term caused several splits and was the downfall of the Scotch Baptist Church who followed some of the principles.
The Sandemanian service was one of love and hope with singing of hymns yet unaccompanied at each meeting a roll call was taken and as well as the prayers and study of the word the preaching was taken by the elders. These services would take no account of the Christian calender in respect to Lent, Easter and Christmas.

Old Scots Independents
John Smith, Newburn and Robert Ferrier, Largo having read the papers of Sandeman meet at Balchrstie mid point to their parishes to discuss the content. David Dale did likewise and set up a chapel of ease which in 1769 became an independent church with dale as one of the elders. Both these connections became known as Old Scots Independents- small, and sharing Glasite ideas of Church life and practice.

8 comments:

PeterinScotland said...

I read about these once in the biography of Christmas Evans by B A Ramsbottom. I had the feeling they were criticised for teaching that believing was a mere assent to the truth.

Brian Robertson said...

Quick response Peter R

Try Bebbington's History of Baptist in Scotland (1988) and BGCRobertsons Perth Baptist Church ..The History the People (1994)

I think there are one or two churches in North Wales. But none in Scotland. Dundee has a lot of archive material.
B

Anonymous said...

Brian, thanks for posting this.

A lot of it sounds good, but I do have a problem with the statement "its elders demanded total obedience to their decisions from any or all of their congregation".
I don't think anyone is infallible - elder or not, and this sounds like it has the potential for cult-like dominance/abuse.

Do you know how they arrived at their decisions - whether the congregation had any input/no input/equal input to the elders, before obediance was demanded?

At Tapestry, all our decisions are arrived at by mutual consent, which works well for us. If we don't agree on something, we think/talk/pray about it until we reach agreement (based on our understanding of scripture, not on personal likes/dislikes). Then we all commit to the decision. As we don't have formal membership, we don't need to say "you can vote, but you can't" to anyone, so we can get full consensus.

I wonder how the Glasite/Sandemanian model worked in practice. Hopefully the elders would at least justify their decisions from scripture, before demanding obediance to them.

(Tried to post this last week, but it never appeared, I may have hit the wrong button. If it gets to you twice Brian, I appologise.)

Brian Robertson said...

D
Thanks.
Ofcourse the Glasite church was some years ago, and things have moved on. Glas was a Paedo-baptist.

I concur with consensus meetings its a good Scottish Baptist principle.

Leaders lead and members concur.
Only got your comment once.

Check out the update re S F bible.

"I wonder how the Glasite/Sandemanian model worked in practice. Hopefully the elders would at least justify their decisions from scripture, before demanding obediance to them."


I suspect it was Victorian godly direction!

Do as I say.

And maybe thats why it no longer exists!!!!!

B

Anonymous said...

I am interested in reading Sandeman's Letters on Theron and Aspasio. Would you happen to know where a copy of the book can be found?

Brian Robertson said...

http://www.izaak.unh.edu/dlp/Stark/StarkGallery/pages/STK1765_L274.htm

Try Perth Library as a starting point how about the Glassite archive Dundee or the USA? copies did get that far. He was well traveled.
B

Brian Robertson said...

Is this the letters to Harvey in Northampton 1755. Qiuotes are made on see new blog...

Anonymous said...

Mr. Robertson,

I believe that Sandeman's Letters on Theron and Aspasio may be the same as the letters to Hervey as Hervey is the original author of a work entitled Theron and Aspasio.

There is apparently a copy of Sandeman's book Letters on Theron and Aspasio available at the U.S. Library of Congress, but I was hoping to exhaust all other avenues first.

Thanks for your efforts.